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Up until this point it's been one of reaction and investigation, more than combat and forcing things to happen. Personally to me, I prefer the approach that we're onlookers- some times things end up happening that are more interesting to witness than they are to directly interact with them.I would like to applaud the event for the use of those pressure plates and what I assume were command blocks under them. That was pretty baller, to be honest.
That aside, I felt like I was being railroaded. It didn't feel like efforts were rewarded in any tangible way, or for any of the 'fights' to be anything more than scripted Monster vs Monster WWE. If none of the characters had actually been there, would the outcome have changed at all? No player interaction cooled the crater site, and none of them did anything meaningful against the enemies.
I'm trying to understand what kind of atmosphere this campaign is trying to create, but I'm honestly struggling with it.
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You've mean how he watched it wave and then approached it? Under the assumption that it didn't care about us, based on the factime it hadn't attacked anyone. Yeah, he may have been scared but what good is it for me to emote what only a few people can actually see, the few who already know how Uriel was feeling beneath it all. Otherwise I would just be emoting and getting called edgy for it.Up until this point it's been one of reaction and investigation, more than combat and forcing things to happen. Personally to me, I prefer the approach that we're onlookers- some times things end up happening that are more interesting to witness than they are to directly interact with them.
As well, and I don't mean this in any sort of personal way on the players of characters- but the amount of slack that is given to people putting themselves in dangerous positions that they're warned about again, and again has gotten to the point where it breaks the sense of what an event could have. There was a large meteor that crashed down, so the first thing a good chunk of people did was advance upon it even though it was molten and burning hot. Magic was used to bypass the heat, although it was never made clear how much exactly could be taken by the spell- and thus it confused the whole situation from an onlookers point of view, at least.
Then the elementals showed up, and instead of leaving or at least stepping back to plan out what to do, half the entire party remained in the crater, while the other half reacted in an appropriate way as far as I can tell. If you see a giant storm racing towards you, that has a visible face on it- one would assume you wouldn't just ignore that.
Again, I don't mean this in a personal way towards anyone, or at the very least I don't want to make it seem like I'm singling you out because of some OOC reasoning. Your characters will do what they will, and that's entirely understandable; but I feel like the DMs need to take into account that actions that are pretty clearly reckless and going against the grain of maybe what the event is going for shouldn't be given so much slack. BoredBrit 's character is a 11 year old(?) who stared down elementals without so much as quivering in-place. Maybe it's not my place to say something about that, but it feels like something needs to be said about the confusing steps people take in these events that are left unspoken; since I know I'm not the only one that was bothered/confused by it all.
I just mean in the sense that people were panicking, and shouting at others to leave the crater. Podric and Raalvara both shouted at, and even Podric grabbed Uriel to drag his away- again, it's simply confusing to see that from an 11 year old. If it was an adult, or Uriel was simply awestruck and didn't know what to do- then totally fair enough man. But working perfectly fine and seemingly working under no pressure as what I think happened(Correct me if I'm wrong) just doesn't seem right to me and to some others.You've mean how he watched it wave and then approached it? Under the assumption that it didn't care about us, based on the factime it hadn't attacked anyone. Yeah, he may have been scared but what good is it for me to emote what only a few people can actually see, the few who already know how Uriel was feeling beneath it all. Otherwise I would just be emoting and getting called edgy for it.
I OOCly made the mistake and admitted it. Jaden suffered the damage for my mistake, and Kam and I settled it at that.I'm in agreement with Azur, I felt the GMs were too lenient on risky actions taken around the meteor and elementals. It really destroyed immersion for me when characters were essentially jumping on top of the semi molten metal and joking about.
They were trying to recover artifacts from the meteor to learn what it was, and why the Elementals were being attracted to it.Even during the elemental battle people were just trying to chip away little souvenirs from the very thing that is luring in the giant scary monsters.
I would have been absolutely fine with the type of event this was shaping out to be: some investigation, some cool fireworks and we had a godzilla duel and some otherworldly lights but the actions allowed really spoiled it. I'm not trying to throw large blame on any particular individuals but the atmosphere and attitude surrounding this kind of stuff can't continue.
I dunno, I was able to put together that the rock was pretty hot, and had molten metal that it was comprised of pretty quick. Hence why I even questioned to CloakedReaper about how his spell was seemingly able to negate all of that heat- which he did thankfully clarify that it didn't and as he said, it was handled. But stepping on molten metal and getting your clothing all coated in it shouldn't have been a thing to laugh off either. That...definitely would've caused damage.I feel it's not really fair to say players themselves ruined things, but that as feedback the DMs should be more clear with things being dangerous. There should never have been a point where Jaden could stand on molten rock, and he OOCly did not realise until the emote was there - If some more warnings are made in emotes by the DMs themselves, these occurances wouldlikely not have happened.
That aside, I felt entirelypowerless, and I do feelplayers were scrambling to try and do /something,/ with the event. To stop it, to change it, to do anything at all, but there was no chance any player involvement could change the path set. I watched, mostly, because I could not do anything. I just felt my character was useless and I don't really know if we can or will ever stop things eating the rocks, and I am not 100% clear on the end goal for the campaign yet. I don't know what direction to take, because I know my character/s can do nothing here to stop the way it's going. Or so it seems to me.
I get that there was a mistake, it definitely happens but to follow it up by making butt jokes - which others latched onto, you're not the only one involved in this - definitely killed the atmosphere.I OOCly made the mistake and admitted it. Jaden suffered the damage for my mistake, and Kam and I settled it at that.
They were trying to recover artifacts from the meteor to learn what it was, and why the Elementals were being attracted to it.
Thanks for the feedback -- we definitely want everyone to feel like they can have an impact on the events that transpire, but some of these events are indeed intended to be more theatrically oriented. Rest assured, there will be opportunities to fight and conquer and directly intervene in future events. What we will do going forward is make sure that the events are labeled so people know what to expect going in, be it combat, mystery, puzzle, or theatrical as today's event was.I felt like I was being railroaded. It didn't feel like efforts were rewarded in any tangible way, or for any of the 'fights' to be anything more than scripted Monster vs Monster WWE.
Generally, if we're warned against doing something and still do it, that means we fully acknowledge the potential for danger. Podric specifically waited to see if he could advance on the meteor, testing to see if his passive from Divine Magic that makes him essentially fire/heat proof for a time before he actually did so. He knows that the Elementals devour the Heavenstones, and wanted to get closer to it while he could before exactly what he thought would happen, an Elemental eating the Heavenstone, happened.As well, and I don't mean this in any sort of personal way on the players of characters- but the amount of slack that is given to people putting themselves in dangerous positions that they're warned about again, and again has gotten to the point where it breaks the sense of what an event could have. There was a large meteor that crashed down, so the first thing a good chunk of people did was advance upon it even though it was molten and burning hot. Magic was used to bypass the heat..
Pod has done and seen a whole lot of things. He has carried his best friend's body in a makeshift harness made out of armor and a cloak, through the Nether while avoiding Jishrim who was on the prowl in the same Nether Fortress that he was in. So yes, Podric entering the crater to ensure nobody, namely Uriel, got hurt was the "appropriate" way for him as a character. I apologize that for some reason not running away from every point of danger isn't "appropriate" for you.Then the elementals showed up, and instead of leaving or at least stepping back to plan out what to do, half the entire party remained in the crater, while the other half reacted in an appropriate way as far as I can tell. If you see a giant storm racing towards you, that has a visible face on it- one would assume you wouldn't just ignore that.
Again, back to the point that Podric wanted to get part of the meteor before the Elemental came and ate it. He wasn't going for "souvenirs", he was following through with Uriel's idea to try and get part of what the Elementals show up en masse for, when they are generally dormant and non-existent to our characters otherwise. I apologize that me wanting to do something as part of an event "spoiled" it.Even during the elemental battle people were just trying to chip away little souvenirs from the very thing that is luring in the giant scary monsters. I would have been absolutely fine with the type of event this was shaping out to be: some investigation, some cool fireworks and we had a godzilla duel and some otherworldly lights but the actions allowed really spoiled it. I'm not trying to throw large blame on any particular individuals but the atmosphere and attitude surrounding this kind of stuff can't continue.
My only thing was Brit's character's response as a child. I think I even said- if he were an adult, or had some level of experience dealing with things, totally understandable. I'm not bashing on your actions during the event- you do as you do, I'm simply hoping my feedback notifies the staff that with your acknowledgement of danger, logical danger should ensue.Since people are talking about what my character has done without directly citing me, I'm going to just quote the parts that have to do with my character, and explain why exactly he acted the way he did during the event today.
Generally, if we're warned against doing something and still do it, that means we fully acknowledge the potential for danger. Podric specifically waited to see if he could advance on the meteor, testing to see if his passive from Divine Magic that makes him essentially fire/heat proof for a time before he actually did so. He knows that the Elementals devour the Heavenstones, and wanted to get closer to it while he could before exactly what he thought would happen, an Elemental eating the Heavenstone, happened.
Pod has done and seen a whole lot of things. He has carried his best friend's body in a makeshift harness made out of armor and a cloak, through the Nether while avoiding Jishrim who was on the prowl in the same Nether Fortress that he was in. So yes, Podric entering the crater to ensure nobody, namely Uriel, got hurt was the "appropriate" way for him as a character. I apologize that for some reason not running away from every point of danger isn't "appropriate" for you.
Again, back to the point that Podric wanted to get part of the meteor before the Elemental came and ate it. He wasn't going for "souvenirs", he was following through with Uriel's idea to try and get part of what the Elementals show up en masse for, when they are generally dormant and non-existent to our characters otherwise. I apologize that me wanting to do something as part of an event "spoiled" it.
Overall, it feels like our actions during an event, something that has, up until this point, been generally regarded as characters interacting with an environment that was set up by DMs, are being blasted for doing exactly that. You can both say that you aren't trying to single people out, but it is precisely what you are currently doing. You are singling out a specific group of people for acting the way their characters would, and telling us it's wrong. We are purposefully dedicating our time to a Campaign that takes hours out of our days. So yes, we would prefer to do more than just stand there and watch things occur, when there are clear opportunities for us to do something more. I apologize if that is not to your liking.
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In regard to the event itself. I am of the precise opposite opinion. When I log in to RP, I want to be able to interact with the world, not watch things go down for the entire event. I am completely fine with that happening in some aspects, but not the entire event. That's honestly been my biggest gripe with Starfall so far, feeling like there's very little we can actually do. Obviously, there are opportunities to do things, but when compared to the Forlorn Campaign, when there was so much to do that we didn't actually get to everything, only what our characters had decided on, you can understand that it's somewhat disconcerting that there's very little in terms of player choice to do so far in Starfall. If the campaign continues on this way as that's the intended effect, then I won't mind that. I suppose that's actually my biggest problem so far, and that's the lack of apparent direction from the view of a player. I'm uncertain as to what the point of these events are, they each feel like separate happenings, with no real connection to what's happened previously, aside from the larger Elemental being present.
Though in all, this event was a massive step up in some aspects, especially from command blocks being brought in in order to explain how getting closer to the Meteor effected characters, as that was a problem at the Manor Event. It was a fun event, if not slightly stressful from the player-player interaction.
I don't think you quite get the issue here. The whole thing came off as people not taking the event seriously, which yes, I do agree does partially lie with the GMs. That was my point in my first post. These risky actions aren't being punished. Uriel shouldn't have been there in the first place given he's a child character and we know from past experiences that anything to do with the heavenstones tends to be very dangerous.Generally, if we're warned against doing something and still do it, that means we fully acknowledge the potential for danger. Podric specifically waited to see if he could advance on the meteor, testing to see if his passive from Divine Magic that makes him essentially fire/heat proof for a time before he actually did so. He knows that the Elementals devour the Heavenstones, and wanted to get closer to it while he could before exactly what he thought would happen, an Elemental eating the Heavenstone, happened.
Pod has done and seen a whole lot of things. He has carried his best friend's body in a makeshift harness made out of armor and a cloak, through the Nether while avoiding Jishrim who was on the prowl in the same Nether Fortress that he was in. So yes, Podric entering the crater to ensure nobody, namely Uriel, got hurt was the "appropriate" way for him as a character. I apologize that for some reason not running away from every point of danger isn't "appropriate" for you.
Again, back to the point that Podric wanted to get part of the meteor before the Elemental came and ate it. He wasn't going for "souvenirs", he was following through with Uriel's idea to try and get part of what the Elementals show up en masse for, when they are generally dormant and non-existent to our characters otherwise. I apologize that me wanting to do something as part of an event "spoiled" it.