Silly Warstrom!

[matyio]

Hmmm, so basically we can attempt to assasinate frankie for rp reasons now? Well first, frankie would you consent to this?

 

[Deleted member 61]

We will continue to try and capture him ourselves. Do not think we will let up so the people can do as they please with him.

 

[Deleted member 61]

Valkyrie attack was a message to the people that we want Frankie. We don't want a war, but if Frankie is supported, we will continue to attack.

 

[Avery Thomas]

New Valkyria may be small, but powerful.. Some of us mermaids supports it *Grins at the sight of slaves working for her underground water cavern

 

[Frankieba5]

Hmmm, so basically we can attempt to assasinate frankie for rp reasons now? Well first, frankie would you consent to this?

I agree, if ye can find me.

 

[Frankieba5]

Hmmm, so basically we can attempt to assasinate frankie for rp reasons now? Well first, frankie would you consent to this?

What about dynamic map

 

[matyio]

Don't worry Bout me using it when I'm in the same town as you, I'll only use it to find out which town you're in.

 

[Deleted member 61]

Mwuhahahahaha no escape Frankie

 

[Deleted member 61]

We give you a day to make an agreement. Frankie is assassinated, surrenders or all out war between his followers (if any) and Mythrias!

 

[Paragory]

it took 4 days to kill 200 troops? slowest battle ever, battles ares usually resolved within hours. Anything longer and you know you have lost.

It depends on the scale of the battle itself. When you read this, please take into consideration the difference between a 'casualty' and a 'death'. A casualty of war is someone who has been injured or killed in battle (not including missing or captured, this is a seperate category). A death is only a count of actual deaths (...).

On D-day, June 6th, 1944, the Allies stormed the beaches of Normandy with a mass of humanity (34,500 troops) and machinery. In a matter of hours, over 2,000 American soldiers died.
At Gettysburg, Pickett's charge claimed the lives of over 1,200 Confederate soldiers in a matter of hours. These are the battles you are envisioning.

In reality, the typical casualty rate for any midieval era battle was about 4-5 wounded soldiers for every 1 death (of course, the wounded didn't have much help anyways, they usually died of their wounds or infection much later). Also, midieval battles could literally last for days, taking into consideration that two opposing armies would often cycle their divisions into and out of battle to account for loss and fatigue.

In conclusion, a typical midieval battle between two average forces of 5,000 soldiers, roughly 1,000 cavalery (lightly armed, not full shining knights in armor), and about 200-500 archers (they typically were only used to defend castles, their true tactical advantage was never really utilized in mass until the very end of the era, where guns were emerging) would last for about a full day (of daylight). The end of the battle would result in the victor with close to 500 deaths, and 2,500 casualties. The loser, surprisingly, wouldn't fare too much worse, with about 700-800 deaths, 3,000 casualties, and those who could still walk would have been routed or captured.

A battle between 600 troops and 200 troops (as the main point of your argument revolves around) should indeed have lasted for only a few hours. However, if we took into consideration the original 200 were retreating and only making brief contact with the opposing 600, I'm certain that a series of small skirmishes and eventual downfall would have lasted a span of 4 days.

This is a side rant about the Battle of Thermopylae, of which many of you all seem to have a considerable familiarization with, but a rudimentary understanding of the battle itself. The part we are most familiar with (last stand of the Spartans) actually was a minor figure of a tactical withdrawal of much larger Greek forces. After a local named Ephialtes betrayed information about a hidden passage around the Greek army, the Spartan King Leonidas the 1st chose to remain with about 2,000 troops (I digress, 300 of them were actual Spartan soldiers). This decision was made to delay the Persian army (est. 100,000-300,000 strong) who were beginning to flank the main Greek army (about 7,000 strong). It's speculated that these soldiers held what part of the road (the pass was much wider, but the road was the only way to move the Persian army through safely) they could for about a full day of battle, and perhaps another day of the Persians simply getting over themselves. The last stand didn't inflict as many casualties on the Persians as we are led to believe, but the last 2,000 soldiers were completely annihilated, along with King Leonidas. In the total 7 days the Battle of Thermopylae lasted (3 of them were actually days of fighting), the Greeks coalition forces lost an estimated 1000-4000, while inflicting around 20,000 casualties to the much larger Persian army. The Battle of Thermopylae was a clear loss, considering that the Greek coalition forces had lost the majority of their troops, while the Persians could absorb as much punishment. The Persians later suffered a humiliating defeat at Plataea that would discern the victor of the war; the Greeks and their allied city-states. Oh, there was also a naval battle, but that's irrelevant.

I hope this has helped with tactical reasoning, as I'm seeing a lot of stereotyping, false information, and conjectures about things without any real knowledge of the situation.

 

[cfdj]

The one thing that confused me is the fact that basically all of sparta could fight, so why did only 300 go? was it festivals like the rest of Greece or another reason?

 

[JDMcNugget]

I hope this has helped with tactical reasoning, as I'm seeing a lot of stereotyping, false information, and conjectures about things without any real knowledge of the situation.

What you said is very true, though (from where I stand) I see none of the stereotyping, false information, and conjecture. If anything the examples that are given were given to prove a point, rather than in comparison to the Minecraft situation this discussion revolves around.

 

[JDMcNugget]

The one thing that confused me is the fact that basically all of sparta could fight, so why did only 300 go? was it festivals like the rest of Greece or another reason?

@cfdj Only 300 stayed to hold off the Persian armies in the pass and allow the remaining Greek forces to gather. After Thermopylae the Greeks struck back pushing Xerxes to send back most of his men to Asia Minor in fear of being stuck in Europe. Soon enough the remaining Persians were defeated in the Battle of Plataea, ending the Persian Invasion. There is a bit more to it, but this is just saying it to summarize.

 

[Paragory]

The one thing that confused me is the fact that basically all of sparta could fight, so why did only 300 go? was it festivals like the rest of Greece or another reason?

Well, Greece was the main target of attack for the Persians, and Greece was the first to call all of the neighboring city states to its defense. The battle of Thermopylae was a tentative battle for the coalition forces, as it would sort of predict how the war would fare.

The reason only 300 Spartans were there in defense at the famous last stand was simply because Sparta (who had been enemies with Greece in history) was not willing to commit a large portion of their forces to a losing battle. There was never a staggering amount of Spartans at Thermopylae to begin with, and Sparta would rather have the majority of their best defenders to defend their actual home anyways.

 

[Paragory]

What you said is very true, though (from where I stand) I see none of the stereotyping, false information, and conjecture. If anything the examples that are given were given to prove a point, rather than in comparison to the Minecraft situation this discussion revolves around.

I can sympathize, you were not my target of my text-wall, nor were you a major offender. I'm not familiar with some of the battles you listed, so I cannot back up anything you had said. I also realized that you weren't comparing those battles to Minecraft, so you can remove yourself from this lengthy equation.

Anyway what about the Spartans against the Persians, 300 of them fought thousands of persians for several days until they were trapped due to one of their allies falling back to defend their home rather than the path to the back of the Spartans defensive line.

This is what I had objections to. Of course, I do not intend to offend the author of this particular post in any way, nor do I wish to make them feel like I'm attacking them. I just want to get the facts straight.

Also, I realize this was intended to be a very basic summary of events, but I would like to clarify in case others may misinterpret this information.

 

[JDMcNugget]

I'm just curious to say the least, it's always a pleasure discussing historical accounts.

 

[cfdj]

I suppose that makes tactical sence, but I'm suprised that the Spartans didn't see that a bottle-neck was the best way to beat the larger Persian forces. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge to Frankie.)

 

[Paragory]

I'm just curious to say the least, it's always a pleasure discussing historical accounts.

I'm actually not much of a history buff myself, but rather a tactician of sorts. I often use major historical battles to clarify or prove a point. The Battle of Thermopylae is by far the most misunderstood event, and it's bothered me for quite some time. This thread has actually been one of my most enjoyable reads (despite the feather-fluffing going on).

 

[Paragory]

I suppose that makes tactical sence, but I'm suprised that the Spartans didn't see that a bottle-neck was the best way to beat the larger Persian forces.

The bottle-neck plan was tactically sound, but it's impossible to say that it would have won the war in one battle. The Persians army was simply too large for even twice the amount of Greek defenders to have won. It was a good way to weaken the Persians early on, but Sparta and Greece probably realized that the Persians would only be defeated closer to home. Unfortunately, it meant the city of Athens was sacked in the process.

 

[Deleted member 61]

Since when was this a history lesson?