Lore & History FAQ

[Auriel]

"Based on everything I've discovered IC the Gods are just very powerful spirits. Not very different from elementals. They gain power from worship not stealing memories n the like from mortals, though again they could be even similar as I don't know what Elementals such as Shoreless need to do to become the Sea of Storms. As far as I know no one worships the giant hurricane but we do have a Shoreless heretic aka Sankera."

are you implying that if an entire community worshipped Raphael Payne we would have a god of edgelords and orphan assassins?

 

[Immerael]

"Based on everything I've discovered IC the Gods are just very powerful spirits. Not very different from elementals. They gain power from worship not stealing memories n the like from mortals, though again they could be even similar as I don't know what Elementals such as Shoreless need to do to become the Sea of Storms. As far as I know no one worships the giant hurricane but we do have a Shoreless heretic aka Sankera."

are you implying that if an entire community worshipped Raphael Payne we would have a god of edgelords and orphan assassins?

Raphael Payne is not a spirit or whatever constitutes a lesser or proto God. So no. If enough people worshipped a minor God then it is probably possible for it to use this power up to force itself to be accepted among the Pantheon.

 

[Immerael]

Uh going to add this before some gets angry I'm not staff or former lore team etc etc. things could be different this is just what I've learned IC. So things could be different OOC please don't take my word for the gospel unless Cherry or some staff is all "yeah that's pretty much it".

 

[Auriel]

Uh going to add this before some gets angry I'm not staff or former lore team etc etc. things could be different this is just what I've learned IC. So things could be different OOC please don't take my word for the gospel unless Cherry or some staff is all "yeah that's pretty much it".

Well lets kill Raphael for the last time and get a crap ton of people to start praising him like he's the sun

._.

 

[pyrocide]

are you implying that if an entire community worshipped Raphael Payne we would have a god of edgelords and orphan assassins?

There certainly have been musings before that this may be the case, though if it has happened none of the gods have admitted to such being the case, as far as I know. There was a wonderful article Agnew wrote a while back that goes into some detail, though of course it's all IC speculation. Link here for that article - read them all, very good stuff going on there.

 

[Immerael]

Well lets kill Raphael for the last time and get a crap ton of people to start praising him like he's the sun

._.

At no point in current lore has a mortal ascended to god hood in such a fashion. Back in the days of wibbly wobbly lore Sarah ascended to Immortal Queen from human but these we're also the days of dragon vampire wizard assassins, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

 

[Auriel]

At no point in current lore has a mortal ascended to god hood in such a fashion. Back in the days of wibbly wobbly lore Sarah ascended to Immortal Queen from human but these we're also the days of dragon vampire wizard assassins, so I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

we also have iron-man level stuff and ironskin humans, and cats but those are, well, reasonable.

and last I checked we had one mortal who ascended to godhood

 

[Immerael]

we also have iron-man level stuff and ironskin humans, and cats but those are, well, reasonable.

and last I checked we had one mortal who ascended to godhood

If you mean Silas he wasn't a mortal exactly he was a Sorrow and I don't know what they were. You'd have to ask folks who were around or staff as that was before my time. But he was decidedly different from the mortal races from the get go.

 

[Rygan]

SWIBN is dead.

If you mean Silas he wasn't a mortal exactly he was a Sorrow and I don't know what they were. You'd have to ask folks who were around or staff as that was before my time. But he was decidedly different from the mortal races from the get go.

Sorrows were at one point mortals.

 

[Immerael]

SWIBN is dead.


Sorrows were at one point mortals.

Rahas died, came back. Harateth died sort of came back. Death doesn't seem to effect the gods in the same manner as mortals.

The sorrow stuff is cool. Didn't know that. What exactly were they then? A race of mortals that changed over time? Or dead guys? Like I missed all that and there isn't much on the forums about them and they haven't been brought up much.

 

[Rygan]

Rahas died, came back. Harateth died sort of came back. Death doesn't seem to effect the gods in the same manner as mortals.

The sorrow stuff is cool. Didn't know that. What exactly were they then? A race of mortals that changed over time? Or dead guys? Like I missed all that and there isn't much on the forums about them and they haven't been brought up much.

Silas was a human I believe.

I don't think Rahas has had a real death and Ignis really isn't Harateth at all, from going to events that had both in the past. Notably, 'magic' is a much more obscure niche than the literal sun. Synnove's creation is a necessity imo.

 

[Auriel]

Rahas died, came back. Harateth died sort of came back. Death doesn't seem to effect the gods in the same manner as mortals.

The sorrow stuff is cool. Didn't know that. What exactly were they then? A race of mortals that changed over time? Or dead guys? Like I missed all that and there isn't much on the forums about them and they haven't been brought up much.

'visage' is more like what I was going on about from all of the things I've heard

 

[Immerael]

Silas was a human I believe.

I don't think Rahas has had a real death and Ignis really isn't Harateth at all, from going to events that had both in the past. Notably, 'magic' is a much more obscure niche than the literal sun. Synnove's creation is a necessity imo.

Magic true but and if I were going to bring her back I would collapse the Vermella moon aspect and consolidate them all into her so we have a single moon goddess. Which is a bit bigger niche then magic and effects things like tides n such. Cause right now we only have a moon goddess what once every few years idk how "blood moons" work and don't particularly care.

'visage' is more like what I was going on about from all of the things I've heard

Visage was never a mortal just looked like one I think. He was a child given to us by Shalherna. Things happened and they got crazy real fast. Then we got dragon guy flying about doing stuffs. Again this happened just before I got here so I've heard a bunch but I don't think he was ever meant to be taken as a straight up mortal kid.

 

[Sankera]

Based on everything I've discovered IC the Gods are just very powerful spirits. Not very different from elementals. They gain power from worship not stealing memories n the like from mortals, though again they could be even similar as I don't know what Elementals such as Shoreless need to do to become the Sea of Storms. As far as I know no one worships the giant hurricane but we do have a Shoreless heretic aka Sankera.

According to IC talks with Naelwyn there are literally thousands of minor gods who are being surpressed by the Pantheon. Which would explain why the Divine Law exists. It prevents these minor deities from gaining power to challenge them and force their acceptance.

Also I have reason to believe that based on some books discovered outside the NK a few months back that the longer God's spend in our realm the weaker they become. Meaning they need to frequently return to their realm to prevent losing their power. Which may also play a hand in why most of the gods decided to step back. Unless they got lots of worship it weakened them to manifest in the world. But it also explains why certain deities appeared a metric ton. Jishrim gets more powerful off of chaos so usually by appearing he causes himself to get stronger. Rahas had Marr for a long time. Silas had Thiil and Ignis has Anhald. Which explains why they make the bigger splashes. More worshippers means more power for them to actually help or hurt as it goes.

Now we veer off into my educated guess with no real evidence area. I think the reason SWIBN is double banned from the Pantheon is because they are terrified of her return. They fear that any worship of her might cause her to form again, especially seeing as Silas has part of her in him granting him his divinity, and seeing as I was told ICly that the Immortal Kings helped Nael and Legion kill her, maybe she was different somehow to justify brining in the huge guns to kill her. So something about her terrifies the gods and motivated the super gods to shank her. Which I find awesome. However unfortunately given those who know won't tell that's about the extent of my over one year IRL research into the matter IC. I appear to have hit a glass ceiling where no more information about her will can be obtained. Shame really I find her more interesting than the rest of the Pantheon.

Im mentioned, yay me

 

[Rygan]

On the topic of why Legion and Naelwyn killed SWIBN, I think you're overthinking it quite a bit - They wanted the public use of magic gone in-character.

 

[Immerael]

On the topic of why Legion and Naelwyn killed SWIBN, I think you're overthinking it quite a bit - They wanted the public use of magic gone in-character.

That's an OOC motivation not IC. Also doesn't explain why the Immortal Kings helped as far as I know it takes Grief to motivate them to action in the past.

 

[Rygan]

That's an OOC motivation not IC. Also doesn't explain why the Immortal Kings helped as far as I know it takes Grief to motivate them to action in the past.

No, they did it in-character to get rid of magic is what I'm saying.

 

[Lady Alec]

'visage' is more like what I was going on about from all of the things I've heard

Visage was never a mortal just looked like one I think. He was a child given to us by Shalherna. Things happened and they got crazy real fast. Then we got dragon guy flying about doing stuffs. Again this happened just before I got here so I've heard a bunch but I don't think he was ever meant to be taken as a straight up mortal kid.

I believe when Visage first showed up he looked like a porcelain doll/child with no mouth. Nothing like a mortal at all.

*Edit: What Niah said yes.

 

[NIAH]

Visage was Jishrim's gift to Altera. Jishrim called all the mortals to the grand shrine to receive his gift. Asked for volunteers to come forward to recieve his "gift." Shalherana came and tried to intervene before he could do it. She banished Jishrim and Jishrim was exiled, but where he stood was a porcelain child. It was essentially an empty vessel. It learned, evolved, and behaved based on how people interacted with it. I believe Silas called it a Figment. He said it had potential for great power and could become part of hte pantheon, for better or for worse, if it wasn't destroyed. The mortals begged Silas not to kill the child, and he gave the mortals a month. (An OOC week). Silas said he'd come back and make his decision then, but until then, the Figment was in the hands of the mortals.

When he came back, the child had been greatly influenced by Altera. Ended up turning into a dragon when Silas tried to kill it. The rest of hte Pantheon knew it was too late, and using their own influence, tried to alter the course of the entity that was going to take its place in their ranks. There's a post somewhere that says what each of the Gods gave to Visage, but in the end, Visage became the god that he is today.

Visage was never mortal, but rather Jishrim's creation, in a way.

 

[Immerael]

No, they did it in-character to get rid of magic is what I'm saying.

Then why did the Immortal Kings help? If they did help I was told this IC not OOC. Then also why does the Pantheon call her out of all the other gods for double censure. Not worshipping the pantheon is already heresy but they make an entire extra rule about her.