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Medieval armor misconceptions

bodejodel

Reaching for the Heavens
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bodejodel
For the record, using the pommel of the sword (the part on the end of the sword, closest to you if you held it like a fencer) was usually the densest part of the sword. It had to act as a counter-weight for the rest of the sword to keep it well-balanced, which meant it had to be extremely heavy in an extremely small space, making it excellent for blunt-attacks (hence why the more-strike was so powerful).
(and yes, that's part of the reason pommels existed. The closer the balance point to the crossguard, the more manoeuvrable the sword is)
Wouldn't that just count for fencing foils, rapiers and other thrusting type of "swords"?
If I would like to chop some fleshy bit of of someone I'd want the weight in the tip to land as much metal with as much speed and force as possible on him...
 

Angryboy

Natus de Aurum; Natus ex bellum
Wouldn't that just count for fencing foils, rapiers and other thrusting type of "swords"?
If I would like to chop some fleshy bit of of someone I'd want the weight in the tip to land as much metal with as much speed and force as possible on him...
I probably have the physics wrong here, but I don't think that the weight at the tip of the sword would make any difference if you put in the same amount of energy?

The reason the sword is balanced so its weight is at the center is so that it is easier to hold properly; center of mass and all. Imagine trying to lift something extremely heavy, now imagine trying to lift something that is extremely heavy on one side. Its easier to control something when you don't have to worry about applying additional force to keep it from wobbling.
 

MRPolo13

The Arbiter of the Gods
Oh it does. Rapiers do have pretty heavy pommels which makes them terrible for swinging (because centre of balance is almost on the crossguard/basket) but are very mobile. The reason why they're bad for swinging isn't because the blade itself isn't heavy, but because most weight is lower down on the blade, meaning that the weight at the tip doesn't actually work the same. In comparison, a weapon without a pommel and a heavier blade, with overall weight similar as rapier, would have better swinging abilities but would be generally cumbersome (compare a falchion and an arming sword. Weights are similar, but swinging a falchion about is slow as hell, although yes, it has very powerful cuts).
However, every sword's pommel is needed as a form of counterbalance. What you really want is to have the point of balance is around... say, 6-7 centimetres away from the crossguard on an average arming sword (although that term in itself is kind of mixed). Anything further, and trying to hold the blade becomes a bother. Anything closer and your cut doesn't pack enough punch and you have a glorified stabbing weapon.

Specialist weapons are different, of course. I mentioned a falchion, which is basically a cleaver. That thing's point of balance is around half way through the blade, even though it's also controlled by the pommel.

Also, just as a side note for imagination. Imagine a sword, and its point of axis being on the crossguard, and it moves up and down. Now, as you move the point of balance further away, the sword falls faster, delivering a greater blow. However it also becomes harder to control and stop.
 
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