Tybalt
Lord of Altera
I am making a proper what is right/wrong combat thread. If you are wishing for someone to tell you that you can shoot like Lars Anderson, you are wrong and This thread is not for me to say why he is making very wrong and arrogant claims. So lets get to it!
Also I am just really going to name specs and capabilities.
Styles of Bows
Longbow - We all know of the English Longbow. It is a Fancy stick that is longer then Ordinary bows so they can hold more drawweight and draw bigger arrows that packs more of a punch.
Benifits:
Recurve bow - Their "Recurve" Shape allows a more effiecent way of drawing back an arrow. Making it easier to pull back greater weights. Their compact size make them more useful and practical to use on Horseback. Also they have a ledge that an arrow can rest on unlike longbows that increases accuracy.
Benifits:
Broadhead
Broadheads have a wide edge and can have up to 2-4 ideally. They are mainly used when hunting or against unarmored opponents. Their increased surface area above other arrow types causes more bleeding and allows a fallen beast or enemy to die of blood loss quicker.
Barbed Arrows
Barbed Arrowheads are really just like Broadheads. Except when they are pulled out of a wound, their "Barbs" catches onto flesh, and often causes more damage then initially being pierced. These arrows will put a Soldier out of commission for a lengthy amount of time, and thensome depending where shot.
Bodkin
The fabled bodkin. There is alot of misconceptions about this arrow type. And I am going to upset all the Robin Hoods, thieves, and Ranger characters here. The Bodkin arrow was designed for use against Chainmail. It's slender model is perfect for piercing between the rings in mail. Infact, in history it was designed specifically for that purpose.
If you want ANY chance of piercing plate armor with a Recurve or Traditional Longbow. You will want a thicker bodkin head under these conditions.
25-50lbs Ideal for hunting any animal. Can kill a man
70-100lbs Ideal for self defense against weaker armors to peircing attacks. Such as chainmail and leather.
100lb-200lbs These would be classified as warbows and very few people would be strong/skilled enough to carry these around. Nor is it reasonable in most instances because most people don't expect to encounter a tank every day of their lives. But we all know how violent RP servers can be so it is not AS unreasonable.
Plate peircing if at all occurs under the conditions I mentioned in the bodkin section.
Arrows shot at these weights often had thin metal plates in the groove that you notch it to the drawstring with so the force of it did not split the arrow in half when released. These things were used to kill bears. (Didn't pull that fact about killing bears out of historical context but it is true.)
Invest in an arbalist, and learn the areas whee Plate armor is weaker if you want to combat plate armor with ranged weaponry.
Purpose of Archery in Medieval Warfare
But if we cannot pierce a Knight's armor? Why were Longbows even used in warfare?
Simple, it's purpose was to disrupt an approaching armies Formations. Very devistating against Calvary especially.
Also they were shot in masses so it made a literal rain of arrows that burrs the skies and blocks out the sun. And all trained English Longbow Archers, the best, could shoot up to 5 times in one minute with a 180lb drawweight. By chance an arrow would go through a hole in the armor for the eye. Someone have a deteriorating peice of armor. The lower ranks in just chain or partial plate that couldn't afford a whole set were mowed down. etc.
Quivers
Lars Anderson is wrong about the Hip Quiver. That would be where your daggers and Sword goes. Don't get me wrong they were used. But it is a arrogant claim to say that it is better or faster. Archery is all about what works for you in that regard.
Most English Longbow men had standing quivers anyhow that they would have set infront of them with more arrows then a hip or back quiver could carry.
Eye Dominance
It does not matter which side of the bow you shoot from. Lars claims that modern day archery is shoot from the left side because we only shoot with one eye. And that he uses both and shoots from the right, thus quicker.
We shoot with one eye and from the right side of the bow because it feels natural and eye dominance. Everybody has a dominant eye. Find this by placing your thumb in front of you and look at a tree. Close one eye then the other. The eye that does not change when you close the other is your dominant one. Aim with that one.
I hope this help yall understand the realism of Archery on Hollowworld and be something to look back on whenever it is necessary to bring up in RP.
Yes I am bringing the Marrian Rangers back and this is the first step.
@Kyle1322 @bettemus99 @Ddaug02 @Sir_Ashington @mokwar @Megadonkey30
Also I am just really going to name specs and capabilities.
Styles of Bows
Longbow - We all know of the English Longbow. It is a Fancy stick that is longer then Ordinary bows so they can hold more drawweight and draw bigger arrows that packs more of a punch.
Benifits:
- Greater Drawweights up to 200 lbs
- Larger arrows that has a greater force upon impact.
Recurve bow - Their "Recurve" Shape allows a more effiecent way of drawing back an arrow. Making it easier to pull back greater weights. Their compact size make them more useful and practical to use on Horseback. Also they have a ledge that an arrow can rest on unlike longbows that increases accuracy.
Benifits:
- Easier to draw back higher draw weights
- Compact design, ideal use for Horseback Archers
- More accurate then Longbows
Broadhead
Broadheads have a wide edge and can have up to 2-4 ideally. They are mainly used when hunting or against unarmored opponents. Their increased surface area above other arrow types causes more bleeding and allows a fallen beast or enemy to die of blood loss quicker.
Barbed Arrows
Barbed Arrowheads are really just like Broadheads. Except when they are pulled out of a wound, their "Barbs" catches onto flesh, and often causes more damage then initially being pierced. These arrows will put a Soldier out of commission for a lengthy amount of time, and thensome depending where shot.
Bodkin
The fabled bodkin. There is alot of misconceptions about this arrow type. And I am going to upset all the Robin Hoods, thieves, and Ranger characters here. The Bodkin arrow was designed for use against Chainmail. It's slender model is perfect for piercing between the rings in mail. Infact, in history it was designed specifically for that purpose.
If you want ANY chance of piercing plate armor with a Recurve or Traditional Longbow. You will want a thicker bodkin head under these conditions.
- Thicker bodkin arrow tip
- 200lb warbow which is the highest Draw weight ever saw in history and not an easy thing whatsoever to pull back.
- Less than 20 feet away
- Aim at the back of the knee, perhaps elbow. There is a few places in plate armor where it is thinner. I am not the BEST versed in Plate specs. But I am more knowledgeable then most and can call upon people who do know more on it. And they will likely see this thread and correct me there.
- Even then the curvature of the Plate Armor usually causes the arrows to just deflect off it.
- And EVEN if it peirces, the Gambeson underneath the metal will catch it before it hits the body.
25-50lbs Ideal for hunting any animal. Can kill a man
70-100lbs Ideal for self defense against weaker armors to peircing attacks. Such as chainmail and leather.
100lb-200lbs These would be classified as warbows and very few people would be strong/skilled enough to carry these around. Nor is it reasonable in most instances because most people don't expect to encounter a tank every day of their lives. But we all know how violent RP servers can be so it is not AS unreasonable.
Plate peircing if at all occurs under the conditions I mentioned in the bodkin section.
Arrows shot at these weights often had thin metal plates in the groove that you notch it to the drawstring with so the force of it did not split the arrow in half when released. These things were used to kill bears. (Didn't pull that fact about killing bears out of historical context but it is true.)
Invest in an arbalist, and learn the areas whee Plate armor is weaker if you want to combat plate armor with ranged weaponry.
Purpose of Archery in Medieval Warfare
But if we cannot pierce a Knight's armor? Why were Longbows even used in warfare?
Simple, it's purpose was to disrupt an approaching armies Formations. Very devistating against Calvary especially.
Also they were shot in masses so it made a literal rain of arrows that burrs the skies and blocks out the sun. And all trained English Longbow Archers, the best, could shoot up to 5 times in one minute with a 180lb drawweight. By chance an arrow would go through a hole in the armor for the eye. Someone have a deteriorating peice of armor. The lower ranks in just chain or partial plate that couldn't afford a whole set were mowed down. etc.
Quivers
Lars Anderson is wrong about the Hip Quiver. That would be where your daggers and Sword goes. Don't get me wrong they were used. But it is a arrogant claim to say that it is better or faster. Archery is all about what works for you in that regard.
Most English Longbow men had standing quivers anyhow that they would have set infront of them with more arrows then a hip or back quiver could carry.
Eye Dominance
It does not matter which side of the bow you shoot from. Lars claims that modern day archery is shoot from the left side because we only shoot with one eye. And that he uses both and shoots from the right, thus quicker.
We shoot with one eye and from the right side of the bow because it feels natural and eye dominance. Everybody has a dominant eye. Find this by placing your thumb in front of you and look at a tree. Close one eye then the other. The eye that does not change when you close the other is your dominant one. Aim with that one.
I hope this help yall understand the realism of Archery on Hollowworld and be something to look back on whenever it is necessary to bring up in RP.
Yes I am bringing the Marrian Rangers back and this is the first step.
@Kyle1322 @bettemus99 @Ddaug02 @Sir_Ashington @mokwar @Megadonkey30
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