Mad Hatter
All is as it should be.
^What was written. What I read, "I pledge my sword and my life to the betterment of the Realm!"
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JstarGames
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^What was written. What I read, "I pledge my sword and my life to the betterment of the Realm!"
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LegendMerchant
Let me guess, that's because of Neals funny/magical gauntlet right?
dUMMY
Dead Man Walking
Dummyplug
Not quite . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_the_gauntlet
"Running the gauntlet or gantlet is a form of physical punishment where a captive is to run between two rows - a gauntlet - of soldiers who repeatedly strike them."
Mad Hatter
All is as it should be.
The Infinity gauntlet comes to mind, power over all things, physical and metaphysical. Basically the powers of an ultimate god. Much like a loremaster
JstarGames
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I think that's an opinion we're trying to avoid here. Seeing a Loremaster as some omnipotent being isn't healthy or true. They're just writers who want to writeThe Infinity gauntlet comes to mind, power over all things, physical and metaphysical. Basically the powers of an ultimate god. Much like a loremaster
Mad Hatter
All is as it should be.
True in one sense but in reality if the loremaster is not omnipotent how can they effectively create lore and develop the world? The loremaster as such has ultimate power in world creation. It is their job to be aware of ALL the information and adjust and develop where necessary (omnipotent). The lore master while playing IC needs to be able to step outside that skin into a more "human" role. Which @Naelwyn does quite well as far as I can tell.I think that's an opinion we're trying to avoid here. Seeing a Loremaster as some omnipotent being isn't healthy or true. They're just writers who want to write
I would say the whole reason this thread exists has nothing to do with the loremasters ability to keep the two identities seperate. I believe the problem lies in the player base having trouble recognizing the distinction. As well as not appreciating that our current amazing loremaster goes to great lengths to keep his RP clean of OP or meta influence.
Ultimately the loremaster has the final say in how the world turns, while his character has very little of that knowledge or power. If people view the LM as all powerful and "godlike" I believe they might have more respect for the position. Instead of seeing the LM as just another player or staff with extra powers than they have.
In fact I would suggest that in my opinion the loremaster could stand to have a singular face, much like the staff face of Morgan freeman. That would help to seperate the IC persona from the one that makes the lore. And if I have a vote, I would suggest Dr. Strange as the face. Only because he is one of my all time favorite comic characters. As a second vote I would choose Spider Jerusalem from Transmetropolitan, being as he is a writer who likes to write
JstarGames
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I could be aware of every little facet of lore this server has yet that doesn't make me any more omniscient than they should be. Setting up a Loremaster as someone who is absolute and should be treated as "godlike" should be avoided. You create the very issues this thread was founded upon all over again. In-game, some people will react in the exact way that has been mentioned multiple times throughout the course of this thread. Conversations that shame the Loremasters for being these godlike beings will soon arise if that is how we intend to set them up. Players will undoubtedly complain about how a Loremaster has too much power and their abusing their positions etc. While I'd like to think that kind of situation wouldn't happen in reality it will always happen.True in one sense but in reality if the loremaster is not omnipotent how can they effectively create lore and develop the world? The loremaster as such has ultimate power in world creation. It is their job to be aware of ALL the information (omnipotent) and adjust and develop where necessary. The lore master while playing IC needs to be able to step outside that skin into a more "human" role. Which @Naelwyn does quite well as far as I can tell.
I would say the whole reason this thread exists has nothing to do with the loremasters ability to keep the two identities seperate. I believe the problem lies in the player base having trouble recognizing the distinction. As well as not appreciating that our current amazing loremaster goes to great lengths to keep his RP clean of OP or meta influence.
Ultimately the loremaster has the final say in how the world turns, while his character has very little of that knowledge or power. If people view the LM as all powerful and "godlike" I believe they might have more respect for the position. Instead of seeing the LM as just another player or staff with extra powers than they have.
In fact I would suggest that in my opinion the loremaster could stand to have a singular face, much like the staff face of Morgan freeman. That would help to seperate the IC persona from the one that makes the lore. And if I have a vote, I would suggest Dr. Strange as the face. Only because he is one of my all time favorite comic characters. As a second vote I would choose Spider Jerusalen from Transmetropolitan, being as he is a writer who likes to write
Separation from OOC and IC is extremely crucial to any roleplay, I agree with you on that. But again, some players find it difficult to find that line so they will immediately assume that any Loremaster character is some insanely powerful being that is untouchable. A Loremaster should be approachable, not set up as a guy/girl with absolute authority. Being open to suggestions is key, and players shouldn't feel afraid to put forward their opinions to a Loremaster which they would if we go around saying our Loremasters are the Gods of the server.
Loremasters shouldn't be afraid to show themselves in RP as their own character, that's all I'm saying, and setting them up as omnipotent beings is just ugh.
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Somnastra
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*mentally changes every instance of "omnipotent" to "omniscient"* Ah~True in one sense but in reality if the loremaster is not omnipotent how can they effectively create lore and develop the world? The loremaster as such has ultimate power in world creation. It is their job to be aware of ALL the information (omnipotent) and adjust and develop where necessary. The lore master while playing IC needs to be able to step outside that skin into a more "human" role. Which @Naelwyn does quite well as far as I can tell.
I would say the whole reason this thread exists has nothing to do with the loremasters ability to keep the two identities seperate. I believe the problem lies in the player base having trouble recognizing the distinction. As well as not appreciating that our current amazing loremaster goes to great lengths to keep his RP clean of OP or meta influence.
Ultimately the loremaster has the final say in how the world turns, while his character has very little of that knowledge or power. If people view the LM as all powerful and "godlike" I believe they might have more respect for the position. Instead of seeing the LM as just another player or staff with extra powers than they have.
In fact I would suggest that in my opinion the loremaster could stand to have a singular face, much like the staff face of Morgan freeman. That would help to seperate the IC persona from the one that makes the lore. And if I have a vote, I would suggest Dr. Strange as the face. Only because he is one of my all time favorite comic characters. As a second vote I would choose Spider Jerusalen from Transmetropolitan, being as he is a writer who likes to write
Somnastra
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No you're not. Shhh. There's quite a lot of the lore that hasn't been released, you nut.
JstarGames
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I said I could not I did :3
Angam23
Lord of Altera
Just wanted to let you know that I really appreciate what you've done for the server, Nael. I completely agree with what you've said about RP. Sometimes it seems impossible to find RP that isn't either inane day to day chit chat (which to be fair has its place, just not all the time) or a giant pissing contest. To be honest, the trouble with RP is a lot of why I took such a long hiatus from HW in the first place, and it's been very disappointing to return and see that much of the playerbase hasn't grown in that regard. Still, the first step to us solving a problem is admitting we have one, and I hope that we can all take what you've said here to heart. Thanks for all the hard work you do and tough decisions you make.
Mad Hatter
All is as it should be.
I think I understand your thought process and I can appreciate where you are coming from. My stance is not so different from yours though I refuse to believe that this community is incapable of being mature enough not to make a distinction between two distinct entities ie: player/character vs. Loremaster
What I am positing is the reality that the loremaster is IN FACT, the maker of the world, or at least it's history and current conditions. The loremaster is also in charge of ensuring continuity and consistency in the storyline a that all our characters lives are affected by. The Loremaster does NOT exist in Altera in the sense that a character does, yet has more influence in the grand scheme of how things play out. Most importantly the loremaster is an entirely seperate entity from the character played by the same individual.
My suggestion to create a "face" of the lore master in no way is an argument to make the human(s) in the role unaccessible to the player base. It is a suggestion that perhaps if there was a clear distinction between the role of loremaster and the character(s) played by the human(s) in the role of loremaster, then perhaps it would mitigate the issues of players perceiving them as insanely powerful, untouchable beings.
For example I have never confused the staff members Somnastra or SallyPirate who change nicks and answer questions about gameplay with their character counterparts. Yet, admittedly I may have found myself blurring lines between Naelwyn the Loremaster and Naelwyn the character. Why is this? In my opinion because his name and avatar are the same. Being as EVERYTHING that affects my characters life has at some point been run by and approved by the same face and name that walks the verdant plains of Altera alongside me. If I associated Dr. Strange with the world around me and Naelwyn with the character in front of me I wouldn't immediately mentally associate the two. Even if I knew OOC that he was involved, the man behind the curtain if you will. Even better we could enlist one or more of the talented artists in HollowWorld to create a profile of the "Loremaster".
I am not proposing that we shield and hide the identity of the loremaster(s). I am proposing that we make the Loremaster a singular identity, a known quantity and approachable as any benevolent god. Heck, IC we believe in the gods that make up our world, it does not inhibit our summoning of them or sending them our muttered prayers. Yet when we do consider calling on them or questioning their judgement and influence, we do so with thought, care and consideration towards the possibility of receiving a response that isn't what we hoped for. And for the most part we deal with the hands we are dealt, knowing in our IC hearts that the gods are there because we need them. And their actions, though they may not be pleasing to us, are part of a grander scheme and they are ultimately laying the path we are meant to walk.
I honestly believe people can be educated and informed. I also believe that they can be trusted to respect the distinction IC. Ultimately if someone has proven to not be capable of appreciating and respect the rights of loremasters to an unbiased treatment IC, then they don't really belong in a respectful community like Hollowworld.
Thank you @Jstar for your thoughtful counter to my original post. Defending my position has given me even clearer insight into what I believe could work in having a functioning Loremaster who also has the ability to play IC without concern that their RP will be constantly questioned.
Mad Hatter
All is as it should be.
Don't change those mentally m'dear, actually I meant omnipotent, all powerful, in this sense of creating or destroying races, magic, gods and goddesses. The last word on what goes and doesn't go is pretty omnipotent. Loremasters don't just know, they effect changes.
JstarGames
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For the sake of not cluttering the thread I won't have a long winded post. I will sum it up:
I don't think we should view anyone as Gods still, it just seems wrong in my eyes
The unanimous face thing I understand more so now, so thanks for that
I don't think we should view anyone as Gods still, it just seems wrong in my eyes
The unanimous face thing I understand more so now, so thanks for that