Clarification: Staff in RP

[Goldtalon101]

It is just /extremely/ difficult, and as far as I know many players (Myself included) wouldn't be looked at twice before being told "no". Due to the fact that allowing someone that kind of power is a huge OOC and IC responsibility which can be abused, and only the most trusted should be allowed to handle it. Though I will say, it is fully possible to learn these things, you just need to make sure your viable OOC and ICly.

But doesn't that go against the everyone has the same opportunities and such

 

[Patrickdxs]

but isn't that just showing bias? I mean what's there to stop picking players they simply like more?

Because all of the staff have to agree to it I believe, and in the end the player has to RP well enough to get anywhere near these people, then RP at tip top performance to meet standards, while taking all of the risks which will lead to many of them dying. Infact, if I had a bias for someone because I know them more and loved their character, I would advice them /against/ magic, because it could very easily perma-kill or otherwise maim their character and end any carrier in magic they could have had. Remember that while staff are human and can't be free of bias, they are free of bias when it comes to enforcing the rules, and taking consequences is one of them. In the end being biased would get them thrown out of staff position /very/ quickly, not to mention anyone bringing up the argument "The staff won't share because they are biased" wouldn't be eligible for magic anyway in my mind, as that's just being selfish for IC powers you don't have entitlement to.

 

[Goldtalon101]

Because all of the staff have to agree to it I believe, and in the end the player has to RP well enough to get anywhere near these people, then RP at tip top performance to meet standards, while taking all of the risks which will lead to many of them dying. Infact, if I had a bias for someone because I know them more and loved their character, I would advice them /against/ magic, because it could very easily perma-kill or otherwise maim their character and end any carrier in magic they could have had. Remember that while staff are human and can't be free of bias, they are free of bias when it comes to enforcing the rules, and taking consequences is one of them. In the end being biased would get them thrown out of staff position /very/ quickly, not to mention anyone bringing up the argument "The staff won't share because they are biased" wouldn't be eligible for magic anyway in my mind, as that's just being selfish for IC powers you don't have entitlement to.

I can agree with most of what you're saying. However I ask you this, how many mages do we have running around Altera currently?

 

[Somnastra]

But doesn't that go against the everyone has the same opportunities and such

Just because everyone is afforded the same opportunities, does not mean that everyone will succeed at these opportunities. There are still requirements, both IC and OOC for many things, not just magic-related things. Rangers are a good example, as are various houses (most of which are not staff run). In fact, there are members of staff who have failed to meet one or more of the requirements.

Because all of the staff have to agree to it I believe, and in the end the player has to RP well enough to get anywhere near these people, then RP at tip top performance to meet standards, while taking all of the risks which will lead to many of them dying. Infact, if I had a bias for someone because I know them more and loved their character, I would advice them /against/ magic, because it could very easily perma-kill or otherwise maim their character and end any carrier in magic they could have had. Remember that while staff are human and can't be free of bias, they are free of bias when it comes to enforcing the rules, and taking consequences is one of them. In the end being biased would get them thrown out of staff position /very/ quickly, not to mention anyone bringing up the argument "The staff won't share because they are biased" wouldn't be eligible for magic anyway in my mind, as that's just being selfish for IC powers you don't have entitlement to.

While I appreciate the sentiment, and agree with some of what you're saying, I would have put it quite differently. Anyone can RP with each Magus without having some sort of "audition."

I can agree with most of what you're saying. However I ask you this, how many mages do we have running around Altera currently?

As magic is a part of the lore, yes, there has to be heavy staff oversight. The current number of mages, in my honest opinion, is more heavily related to various staff-things that have put a lot of uncertainty and doubt into the minds of all the staff, including those who are in charge of the various magic schools. Whether this would be different if we had a non-staff magus (a possibility, in fact, for the future), I can't say. I doubt it. Training stopped. There were close to a dozen people in training before things got up-ended, and we're just now getting to the point where the mage players feels comfortable enough in the stability of things to pick training back up. So I don't see this as the same issue at all.

 

[Lannis]

I have a question, how would a player have the same opportunity as Michcat, Naelwyn or Legion at obtaining powers that there characters possess.

To my understanding, the abilities of these characters were reintroduced for exactly that purpose- To give players the opportunity to learn and obtain said powers. Mind you, this quite clearly doesn't equate to having arcane power handed over on a gilded platter. The magic system is highly restrictive on the basis of not wanting everyone and their mum running around with the ability to blow up a town, namely in regards to those that would flippantly use it for such. As Patrick said, it's a huge matter of responsibility, and as such not lightly given.

But doesn't that go against the everyone has the same opportunities and such

"Opportunity" does not equate to "guarantee." Everyone has access to lobby for an apprenticeship, but are not entitled to such.

I can agree with most of what you're saying. However I ask you this, how many mages do we have running around Altera currently?

Very few, the intended rollout has gone rather slowly. I speculate that this is largely due to the Magi numbering only four, all of them having IRL commitments and not necessarily wanting to teach magic 24/7- One of the points of this thread is that staff are players too, and are here because they too want to enjoy roleplay.~ Additionally, I don't imagine any of the players behind the Magi are the type to not have a highly elaborate system behind their disciplines- Making teaching it substantially more complicated and time-consuming than, "Yer an apprentice, enjoy shootin' fireballs at everything."

 

[Patrickdxs]

While I appreciate the sentiment, and agree with some of what you're saying, I would have put it quite differently. Anyone can RP with each Magus without having some sort of "audition."

Ah, thank you for the correction Som, I am fairly uncertain about the apprentice process so thank you for the clarification.

 

[Goldtalon101]

Also, everyone has the same opportunity to become a millionaire. But sadly only about 1% of people will~

 

[Somnastra]

Also, everyone has the same opportunity to become a millionaire. But sadly only about 1% of people will~

I think you just made our point~?

 

[Goldtalon101]

I think you just made our point~?

What i'm saying is that its hardly fair is it

 

[Michcat]

I can agree with most of what you're saying. However I ask you this, how many mages do we have running around Altera currently?

Fun fact: There was a spot of drama that heavily interrupted many workings on the server and caused a delay in many aspects, the Magic system included. By my prediction, the entirety of magic users would be on "Generation Two", in that all apprentices of each discipline would be teaching

So its getting there again. We've just recently picking things back up, concerning more then the magic system.

 

[Goldtalon101]

Fun fact: There was a spot of drama that heavily interrupted many workings on the server and caused a delay in many aspects, the Magic system included. By my prediction, the entirety of magic users would be on "Generation Two", in that all apprentices of each discipline would be teaching

So its getting there again. We've just recently picking things back up, concerning more then the magic system.

That's good to hear

 

[Lannis]

What i'm saying is that its hardly fair is it

"Fairness" doesn't mean that everyone gets the same as everyone else- means that everyone gets what they earn.~
As I'm loath to apply that phrasing to this situation, I'll clarify. Everyone has the opportunity to apply for apprenticeship, but those that don't demonstrate adequate ability to handle such likely won't get it.

 

[Goldtalon101]

"Fairness" doesn't mean that everyone gets the same as everyone else- means that everyone gets what they earn.~
As I'm loath to apply that phrasing to this situation, I'll clarify. Everyone has the opportunity to apply for apprenticeship, but those that don't demonstrate adequate ability to handle such likely won't get it.

Then clarifying that would be better than giving people false sense of hope~

 

[Somnastra]

What i'm saying is that its hardly fair is it

In many ways I would agree with you, but I do not believe that in this metaphor, magic is the only thing that can equate to wealth. There is political power, actual wealth (*cough* Boulderpaul *cough*), reknown, lovely character development, or any number of things that in my opinion not only equal magic, but can often surpass it.

I am intensely envious of someone like solus, who has a wonderfully developed character, only one active character (*eyes Kelta with narrowed eyes*), and only one major active project at a time (as far as I've seen anyways). This allows her a depth of focus that most days seem more attractive than the kind of position I'm in now, where I have to balance RP with staff work, and lots of staff work.

Oh, and she's not a magic user. She's not even an apprentice. She has just become a priestess of the Grey Lady, which makes me so super happy for her character.

Then clarifying that would be better than giving people false sense of hope~

I'm pretty sure it is-

 

[Somnastra]

Okay, I'm gonna head back to a sort of watch-mode. I don't want to overwhelm folks with staff responses on the same thing.

 

[Solus]

Feels

Oh staph it you.

 

[aidoninja]

Your typing today, holy wow. 11/10.

i was on my tablet and it was like 00:00pm/am T_T

 

[mokwar]

Question
Not sure if this already has been asked.


I know that staff has answered that anyone can apply for apprenticeship, but I would like to ask if it was possible for a character to learn magic by himself, with loads of testing.

I believe that was the way mich's character learned magic? (correct me if I am wrong, cause I may be).

I can see the disadvantage of researching it yourself and not learning it, but I want to know if it is a possibility.

 

[FrostGuardian]

Plenty of clarification lately, which of course, is a good thing, though it entails the fact that players were acting silly enough for clarification to be required in the first place.

 

[Spark]

Plenty of clarification lately, which of course, is a good thing, though it entails the fact that players were acting silly enough for clarification to be required in the first place.

Whether players are being silly about it or not, the idea that staff would have an advantage in RP is entirely reasonable, as are most of the subjects raised in the clarification threads. Usually people don't directly ask these things directly since they are usually controversial/a touchy subject. Having these things talked about in hushed tones usually ends up with bad rumours as people only talk about it when there's no staff presence because they feel like they would be punished for having such opinions. Eh, either way I like reading these, it clears the air and sets facts straight. Personally I would like to see more of these if/when they are needed.