This is something that I sent to
Cap in a private convo, and he has asked me to post it here.
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public notice means 'poster in public places' means it's IC lol
This is true. But not worth continuing the argument over, because I was wrong to focus on that for more fodder to my posts.
ok so i wasnt at the event last night where i made an important political announcement and lit an ignis bonfire and
Elz won't be able to confirm that, gotcha
Yeah, I'll admit that I didn't know that. Like I said, I apologize that I said you don't even RP here. It's just that I don't see you often and I became too riled over seeing a kingdom claiming land, without the players of the kingdom, talking to the people who lived on the land beforehand.
already said i won't interact with any regions currently existing in the area, only future ones
But you also said "for now," which is why I've been on this tangent this whole time.
you're right that it's stupid, it's supposed to be a stupidly big imperialist land claim to provoke people. congratulations
they're talking to me now i dont see the problem
My point, why I'm trying to debate, is that people were not informed about this beforehand. You said that you're not able to back it up in-character, and that this is just your character being your character. But there's a degree of etiquette that comes along with making announcements saying that a kingdom owns land that other players have settled. I say "you" because you lead the faction and you're the one who posted it. I'm not trying to be a dick to you now (though I was before), but I'm just trying bring up concerns with whoever it is, may it be you, Anhald, your character, or whoever.
You want to be a bad guy and provoke people? Sure. That can be fun RP. But what I'm having issue with is the fact that this was posted and laying IC claim over regions that people paid for. When the map was made, either you or Rygan said to settle far away if you don't want to get conquered. People did just that, but now people on the entire other side of the continent are now put face to face with something they were trying to avoid. I don't like the current consent rules all the much, and if they were changed on an individual level, I'd have no problem. But I'd still put up a fuss and preach about consent when it comes to regions that people saved months, or a year for, being affected.
Am I being preachy? Yeah, maybe. But it feels like this is trying to provoke wars that small regions can't win. When someone wants to RP with you and get out of it IC, but find that their hands are tied, it smells of a "fight your way out or deal with it" scenario that allows you to bypass consent rules. And that's where my problem lies, because their regions they paid for are at stake.
Look. Do you and I agree on server politics? No. Was I an in the wrong for being directly antagonistic towards you? Yes. I am sorry for directing some of my argument to you personally earlier. I was too invested in the situation. But at the end of the day, what has me upset and arguing over something that doesn't affect me, is that there are some small new player regions affected in the claim, and several regions that aren't even marked on the map that are affected. A lot of people say that I'm part of the hugbox regime, and in some ways, I am. But I don't see this as hugbox issue, so much as IC sanctioned action that could potentially affect player purchased property. I can't take this IC because none of my characters really care or mind, so OOCly vocalizing my reservations on putting IC claim over regions, whether a backable claim or not, is the only avenue of debate that I have.
I guess what I'm trying to get at is that asking, or at least talking OOCly before taking IC action, is just a decent thing to do. And I'm sorry that I went after you earlier. If you want to hate me, or mock me over it, that's fine. I kind of deserve it, after today. But I wanted to type this to tell you I'm sorry for approaching it poorly and to explain why I said what I did. If you still think I'm a terrible person, then so be it. But I am sorry for coming at you earlier, regardless.
