Naelwyn
Non sum qualis eram
Oho. Right, the vanilla horse armor is a throwback to oblivion, and is plate-y.
That might, in fact, be a vanilla thing we might restrict.
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That might, in fact, be a vanilla thing we might restrict.
rauyran
Burner of Worlds
Without mass production then I assume you will be bringing in restrictions on literacy too?
Naelwyn
Non sum qualis eram
Was considering both making Literacy in a language a separate thing to fluency, as well as have anything more than basic literacy require practice/training.
rauyran
Burner of Worlds
I'm interested in why this is significant or even important. What difference does mass-production of books make in the RP element of the game?
MIDNIGHT562
Loyal Servant of Altera
rauyran
Burner of Worlds
Anything up to pre-industrial revolution would still be low-tech.
Having a cutoff at the printing press seems arbitrary and misses out on periods of history that I think a lot of people here actually RP (perhaps unknowingly): the renaissance, age of discovery, privateering and the elevation of the power of the monarchy via the divine right to rule.
Pre renaissance we're really talking about people living in wattle and daub houses and freezing cold castles. There aren't even cannons on ships. Maybe the age of chivalry has some interest features, but later periods have a lot more colour. Moving the tech-lock period forward a couple of hundred years actually makes very little difference in terms of actual technology but a massive difference in the social and cultural aspects of the world.
Naelwyn
Non sum qualis eram
(I also really don't care enough on the point of horsey armor to argue either way.)
Essentially:
Altera would develop in a way different from earth.
But the Kings have deliberately restricted anything that could lead to renaisance or industrialization.
Horse Armor is distinctly medieval in principle: no one is going to industrialize thanks to horse armor.
The printing press however was a massive part of the enlightenment.
Altera would develop in a way different from earth.
But the Kings have deliberately restricted anything that could lead to renaisance or industrialization.
Horse Armor is distinctly medieval in principle: no one is going to industrialize thanks to horse armor.
The printing press however was a massive part of the enlightenment.
Lord_Sinclair
Lord of Altera
Quite frankly, this entire tech debate concerns me.
To think that the possibility of restricting horse armor because of historical tech development should even be mentioned is of considerable concern.
Why are we suddenly becoming so concerned with historical accuracy on the server? This is a Medieval Fantasy Roleplay Server; we're not trying to replicate history to a tee here.
Hollowworld, at its core, is far more "Fantasy" than "Medieval".
We have Syrien, Earthspawn, Elves, Dwarves, Caparii, Nakam, etc, etc....
We have magic, at least in minor forms.
We have demons who publicly terrorize the realm.
We have Gods that publicly show themselves to their followers.
We have Queen Grief, a force of unspeakable evil that tears apart entire worlds.
Want to get historical? May as well get rid of everything I just mentioned; you certainly won't find any of that in the history books.
This is a game made for fun and relaxation. There's no need to start restricting tech or the like on the grounds that it is detrimental to RP.
On the contrary, RP is far more exciting and engaging with such things.
I remember there being a wedding on an airship not long ago, for example. There were no airships in Medieval Earth, no, but can you honestly say that having them is detrimental to RP?
Besides, you're never going to be able to send Altera backwards in time in any aspect. Though many players are history buffs, there are plenty of others who could care less. Try all you like, but the only way to stop Altera from socially advancing out of the Dark Ages is to kick out half the server, and no one wants to go there.
Let's just try to make it simple. In short:
If it makes reasonable RP sense, go for it.
If it's clearly designed using "modern" ideas, like steampunk, shut it down.
No reason to go all Medieval on someone for wanting a little fantasy.
To think that the possibility of restricting horse armor because of historical tech development should even be mentioned is of considerable concern.
Why are we suddenly becoming so concerned with historical accuracy on the server? This is a Medieval Fantasy Roleplay Server; we're not trying to replicate history to a tee here.
Hollowworld, at its core, is far more "Fantasy" than "Medieval".
We have Syrien, Earthspawn, Elves, Dwarves, Caparii, Nakam, etc, etc....
We have magic, at least in minor forms.
We have demons who publicly terrorize the realm.
We have Gods that publicly show themselves to their followers.
We have Queen Grief, a force of unspeakable evil that tears apart entire worlds.
Want to get historical? May as well get rid of everything I just mentioned; you certainly won't find any of that in the history books.
This is a game made for fun and relaxation. There's no need to start restricting tech or the like on the grounds that it is detrimental to RP.
On the contrary, RP is far more exciting and engaging with such things.
I remember there being a wedding on an airship not long ago, for example. There were no airships in Medieval Earth, no, but can you honestly say that having them is detrimental to RP?
Besides, you're never going to be able to send Altera backwards in time in any aspect. Though many players are history buffs, there are plenty of others who could care less. Try all you like, but the only way to stop Altera from socially advancing out of the Dark Ages is to kick out half the server, and no one wants to go there.
Let's just try to make it simple. In short:
If it makes reasonable RP sense, go for it.
If it's clearly designed using "modern" ideas, like steampunk, shut it down.
No reason to go all Medieval on someone for wanting a little fantasy.
Nah you are just working on the wrong server vision.
The idea has always been low-tech, low magic, low fantasy.
It got a bit out of hand and so we are reigning it in again.
However: we will not remove things that can only be beneficial to RP. The only things we rule out are those that are inconsistent with what we have.
The idea has always been low-tech, low magic, low fantasy.
It got a bit out of hand and so we are reigning it in again.
However: we will not remove things that can only be beneficial to RP. The only things we rule out are those that are inconsistent with what we have.
pyrocide
The Mogul of Cromarcky
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Cubey
Guest
Nothing wrong with Fantasy, Don't be silly.
Altera is not same as Earth but its Fantasy, non-existed, like dream world.
So.... You know Grief is come from Earth, How do she end up in planet Altera? Did she uses spaceship to escape from Earth? lol
Altera is not same as Earth but its Fantasy, non-existed, like dream world.
So.... You know Grief is come from Earth, How do she end up in planet Altera? Did she uses spaceship to escape from Earth? lol
Menel
Carpet Monkey
cubey is right. it is fantasy from the point on that natural earth is not involved. it won't be fantasy if we would have medieval europe. and all the things sinclaire adressed too. the races, minor magic, demons. we have stepped over the border of phantastic a long time ago and happily roll around in the fields of fantasy.
low tech and low magic is possible, low fantasy is long gone
but thats just a definition and i think it is okay to cut some things down, like removing airships, even though we all love them. as long as in return other things get implimented because indeed, even though there is a techlock, a whole world stagnating is unlikely. there have to be some people still developing, trying to find new things. but i guess all the mc-updates will already take care of that so as long as the server always impliments everything new in vanilla and maybe even trys to form some lore and storry around it we should be good.
I think the lore teams decision to set a tech cut off date probably wasn't a great idea. This isn't Planet Earth - and this isn't Earth History. In the worlds of George R.R. Martin there is enough tech for airships and possibly guns too but you don't see them attacking Kings Landing using a fleet of airships or using them to travel from city to city.
Its whatever the the writer decided can or can't exist in their fantasy world.
The server first started as a very low tech - medieval world with very low fantasy. It was directly inspired by Game of Thrones and that was the vision. During a period of 12 months when I wasn't running the server we ended up with wizards shooting fireballs and a huge array of colourful races including mermaids! Oh and Airships and Balloons!
So yes, we have the tech to probably create airships and a number of other technology - but we choose for them not to exist in this parallel dimension.
Ultimately the decision to scrap airships and altogether bring back my vision hasn't been completely mine although I do welcome it. It is nice that the likes of Sally, Naelwyn and Legion share the original ideas the server started out with but lost its way somehow. I am happy they are making hard decisions to get some of the old vision back. They cannot please everyone and it can't be very nice for them to have to keep battling questions regarding why decisions have been made and why this or that isn't allowed. If we allowed for everyones opinion and desire we might as well throw the whole thing to the wind and open a vanilla server where everyone can do (and be) what they like.
Its whatever the the writer decided can or can't exist in their fantasy world.
The server first started as a very low tech - medieval world with very low fantasy. It was directly inspired by Game of Thrones and that was the vision. During a period of 12 months when I wasn't running the server we ended up with wizards shooting fireballs and a huge array of colourful races including mermaids! Oh and Airships and Balloons!
So yes, we have the tech to probably create airships and a number of other technology - but we choose for them not to exist in this parallel dimension.
Ultimately the decision to scrap airships and altogether bring back my vision hasn't been completely mine although I do welcome it. It is nice that the likes of Sally, Naelwyn and Legion share the original ideas the server started out with but lost its way somehow. I am happy they are making hard decisions to get some of the old vision back. They cannot please everyone and it can't be very nice for them to have to keep battling questions regarding why decisions have been made and why this or that isn't allowed. If we allowed for everyones opinion and desire we might as well throw the whole thing to the wind and open a vanilla server where everyone can do (and be) what they like.
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Cubey
Guest
I'm not saying about airship and balloon just fantasy like dwarf & elf but i agreed for remove airship and balloon but really up to Sally. Skyrim is more fantasy but does not have airship for example.
Riding horse always more fun, im very happy to ride Cause I'm horse rider -.-
Riding horse always more fun, im very happy to ride Cause I'm horse rider -.-